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2018-05-12 17:11:10 UTC
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[BBC] IBM workers banned from using USB sticks
Full story: <http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-44069488>

Staff at IBM have been banned from using removable memory devices such
as USB sticks, SD cards and flash drives.

The possibility of "financial and reputational" damage if staff lost or
misused the devices prompted the decision, reported The Register.

Instead, IBM staff who need to move data around will be encouraged to do
so via an internal network.

The decree banning removable storage acknowledges that complying with it
could be "disruptive".

Losing data

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Frank Slootweg
2018-05-12 17:55:00 UTC
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[BBC] IBM workers banned from using USB sticks
Full story: <http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-44069488>
Staff at IBM have been banned from using removable memory devices such
as USB sticks, SD cards and flash drives.
The possibility of "financial and reputational" damage if staff lost or
misused the devices prompted the decision, reported The Register.
Instead, IBM staff who need to move data around will be encouraged to do
so via an internal network.
The decree banning removable storage acknowledges that complying with it
could be "disruptive".
Losing data
.... more ....
Hmmm! I thought this was the twenty-first century, not the twentieth!?

But heh, better late than never!
J. P. Gilliver (John)
2018-05-12 22:36:16 UTC
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[BBC] IBM workers banned from using USB sticks
Full story: <http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-44069488>
Staff at IBM have been banned from using removable memory devices such
as USB sticks, SD cards and flash drives.
The possibility of "financial and reputational" damage if staff lost or
misused the devices prompted the decision, reported The Register.
Instead, IBM staff who need to move data around will be encouraged to
do so via an internal network.
The decree banning removable storage acknowledges that complying with
it could be "disruptive".
Losing data
.... more ....
The company I worked for banned them many years ago - for reasons of (a)
concern of theft of secure [either in the government (it was a defence
contractor) or commercial sense] material, and (b) fear of infection.
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Frank Slootweg
2018-05-13 10:38:06 UTC
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[BBC] IBM workers banned from using USB sticks
Full story: <http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-44069488>
Staff at IBM have been banned from using removable memory devices such
as USB sticks, SD cards and flash drives.
The possibility of "financial and reputational" damage if staff lost or
misused the devices prompted the decision, reported The Register.
Instead, IBM staff who need to move data around will be encouraged to
do so via an internal network.
The decree banning removable storage acknowledges that complying with
it could be "disruptive".
Losing data
.... more ....
The company I worked for banned them many years ago - for reasons of (a)
concern of theft of secure [either in the government (it was a defence
contractor) or commercial sense] material, and (b) fear of infection.
Exactly. Same with the little 150K employee computer company I worked
for. As soon as USB ports showed up on computers, they were made
inoperable. (No card-readers at that time.) That was well before the
year 2000.
Tim
2018-05-13 13:42:05 UTC
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[BBC] IBM workers banned from using USB sticks
Full story: <http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-44069488>
Staff at IBM have been banned from using removable memory devices
such as USB sticks, SD cards and flash drives.
The possibility of "financial and reputational" damage if staff lost
or misused the devices prompted the decision, reported The Register.
Instead, IBM staff who need to move data around will be encouraged
to do so via an internal network.
The decree banning removable storage acknowledges that complying
with it could be "disruptive".
Losing data
.... more ....
The company I worked for banned them many years ago - for reasons of
(a) concern of theft of secure [either in the government (it was a
defence contractor) or commercial sense] material, and (b) fear of
infection.
Exactly. Same with the little 150K employee computer company I worked
for. As soon as USB ports showed up on computers, they were made
inoperable. (No card-readers at that time.) That was well before the
year 2000.
Many years ago I used to service some data equipment at a defense
contractor site. I was required to leave my calculator at the security
check-in desk for the same reason. This was long before USB ever came
into existence. And of course, there is the most popular story floating
around about the banning of Furbies, due to their small memory function.
Data loss concerns have been around for a long, long time.
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2018-05-13 14:47:14 UTC
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The company I worked for banned them many years ago - for reasons of (a)
concern of theft of secure [either in the government (it was a defence
contractor) or commercial sense] material, and (b) fear of infection.
Exactly. Same with the little 150K employee computer company I worked
for. As soon as USB ports showed up on computers, they were made
inoperable. (No card-readers at that time.) That was well before the
year 2000.
there weren't very many usb peripherals 'well before the year 2000' so
disabling the usb ports didn't make much of a difference.

meanwhile, ethernet ports remained active...
Frank Slootweg
2018-05-13 20:10:35 UTC
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The company I worked for banned them many years ago - for reasons of (a)
concern of theft of secure [either in the government (it was a defence
contractor) or commercial sense] material, and (b) fear of infection.
Exactly. Same with the little 150K employee computer company I worked
for. As soon as USB ports showed up on computers, they were made
inoperable. (No card-readers at that time.) That was well before the
year 2000.
there weren't very many usb peripherals 'well before the year 2000' so
disabling the usb ports didn't make much of a difference.
Huh? The discussion is about USB (memory) sticks!
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meanwhile, ethernet ports remained active...
Duh! Yes, they were quite handy to connect to our *intra*net, thank
you very much! And yes, our Internet gateways were very secure/strict,
TYVM. (Think NET-15 (and -16.)
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2018-05-13 21:21:39 UTC
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The company I worked for banned them many years ago - for reasons of
(a) concern of theft of secure [either in the government (it was a defence
contractor) or commercial sense] material, and (b) fear of infection.
Exactly. Same with the little 150K employee computer company I worked
for. As soon as USB ports showed up on computers, they were made
inoperable. (No card-readers at that time.) That was well before the
year 2000.
there weren't very many usb peripherals 'well before the year 2000' so
disabling the usb ports didn't make much of a difference.
Huh? The discussion is about USB (memory) sticks!
which didn't exist 'well before the year 2000'.

usb 1.1 was finalized in late 1998 and started to become popular in
1999 as manufacturers ramped up.

usb 1.0 and win95 'support' did exist before that, but it was more of a
technology demo than actual products.

according to wikipedia, the first usb memory stick was available in
mid-december, 2000, so really 2001 when people could buy them.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB_flash_drive#History>
USB flash drives were invented at M-Systems, an Israeli company, in a
US patent filed in April 5, 1999 by Amir Ban, Dov Moran and Oron
Ogdan, all M-Systems employees at the time. The product was
announced by the company in September 2000, and was first sold by
IBM in 8MB capacity starting December 15, 2000.
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meanwhile, ethernet ports remained active...
Duh! Yes, they were quite handy to connect to our *intra*net, thank
you very much! And yes, our Internet gateways were very secure/strict,
TYVM. (Think NET-15 (and -16.)
connect a rogue device to the intranet. done. spoof mac address (easy)
and it will go unnoticed by the admins.

if data theft and malware infection was truly a concern, they'd need to
disable floppy drives and pcmcia slots. did they?

disabling usb was nothing more than fear of the unknown.
Frank Slootweg
2018-05-14 15:28:17 UTC
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The company I worked for banned them many years ago - for
reasons of (a) concern of theft of secure [either in the
government (it was a defence contractor) or commercial sense]
material, and (b) fear of infection.
Exactly. Same with the little 150K employee computer company I worked
for. As soon as USB ports showed up on computers, they were made
inoperable. (No card-readers at that time.) That was well before the
year 2000.
there weren't very many usb peripherals 'well before the year 2000' so
disabling the usb ports didn't make much of a difference.
Huh? The discussion is about USB (memory) sticks!
which didn't exist 'well before the year 2000'.
Correct. I thought it was earlier, but according to my notes, it was
probably mid-2001.
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usb 1.1 was finalized in late 1998 and started to become popular in
1999 as manufacturers ramped up.
usb 1.0 and win95 'support' did exist before that, but it was more of a
technology demo than actual products.
We used Windows 2000 (and NT before that).
Post by nospam
according to wikipedia, the first usb memory stick was available in
mid-december, 2000, so really 2001 when people could buy them.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB_flash_drive#History>
USB flash drives were invented at M-Systems, an Israeli company, in a
US patent filed in April 5, 1999 by Amir Ban, Dov Moran and Oron
Ogdan, all M-Systems employees at the time. The product was
announced by the company in September 2000, and was first sold by
IBM in 8MB capacity starting December 15, 2000.
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meanwhile, ethernet ports remained active...
Duh! Yes, they were quite handy to connect to our *intra*net, thank
you very much! And yes, our Internet gateways were very secure/strict,
TYVM. (Think NET-15 (and -16.)
connect a rogue device to the intranet. done. spoof mac address (easy)
and it will go unnoticed by the admins.
Unlikely that someone trying to make a physical connection would get
unnoticed, i.e. they would have to disconnect an existing device. And
they would have to set a correct/non-clashing computer name. Not
impossible, but unlikely. And what could they do, other than infect
their own computer? No way they could get to any company data without
knowing logins/passwords, etc.. (IIRC, they also would need the client
software in order to be able to *get* a login, but I'm not absolutely
sure about that.)
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if data theft and malware infection was truly a concern, they'd need to
disable floppy drives and pcmcia slots. did they?
Yes. The whole environment was locked down and all software
installation/updating was managed by the IT department. I.e. one could
only install/update software which was provide/blessed by the IT
department.

We actually sold our management software/services to our customers,
i.e. if it serves us, it would most likely suit them as well.
Post by nospam
disabling usb was nothing more than fear of the unknown.
I wouldn't call it 'fear', but a justified precaution, *because* the
dangers were unkown.

Bottom line: Trust me, you can leave it up to a 150K employee computer
company to really lock down their own IT.
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2018-05-14 17:04:31 UTC
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The company I worked for banned them many years ago - for
reasons of (a) concern of theft of secure [either in the
government (it was a defence contractor) or commercial sense]
material, and (b) fear of infection.
Exactly. Same with the little 150K employee computer company I worked
for. As soon as USB ports showed up on computers, they were made
inoperable. (No card-readers at that time.) That was well before the
year 2000.
there weren't very many usb peripherals 'well before the year 2000' so
disabling the usb ports didn't make much of a difference.
Huh? The discussion is about USB (memory) sticks!
which didn't exist 'well before the year 2000'.
Correct. I thought it was earlier, but according to my notes, it was
probably mid-2001.
that time frame makes a bit more sense.
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2018-05-13 02:13:29 UTC
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[BBC] IBM workers banned from using USB sticks
Full story: <http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-44069488>
Staff at IBM have been banned from using removable memory devices such
as USB sticks, SD cards and flash drives.
The possibility of "financial and reputational" damage if staff lost or
misused the devices prompted the decision, reported The Register.
Instead, IBM staff who need to move data around will be encouraged to do
so via an internal network.
The decree banning removable storage acknowledges that complying with it
could be "disruptive".
Losing data
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Bill Gates was the cause of that when he stole IBMs stuff and created Microsoft out of it.
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Bill Gates was the cause of that when he stole IBMs stuff and created Microsoft out of it.
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Since Microsoft was founded in 1975, (and clearly been in development long before that) and IBM didn’t start marketing personal computers until 1981, your conclusions are suspect.
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Bill Gates was the cause of that when he stole IBMs stuff and created Microsoft out of it.
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Since Microsoft was founded in 1975, (and clearly been in development long before that) and IBM didn’t start marketing personal computers until 1981, your conclusions are suspect.
What slowjoe is trying, but failing, to articulate, is that Microsoft, very
shrewdly, purchase Windows, or an ancestor of Windows, from Xerox.

Never mind the fact that Microsoft was created years before, or that IBM was not
involved. Slowjoe is an idiot.

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2018-05-13 03:20:15 UTC
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Staff at IBM have been banned from using removable memory devices such
as USB sticks, SD cards and flash drives.
I recall a few years ago reading that the Pentagon had
such a policy in place and had filled USB sockets with
epoxy to enforce it.
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I recall a few years ago reading that the Pentagon had
such a policy in place and had filled USB sockets with
epoxy to enforce it.
Quite a disadvantage if one is using a USB mouse or keyboard.
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2018-05-13 20:10:36 UTC
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I recall a few years ago reading that the Pentagon had
such a policy in place and had filled USB sockets with
epoxy to enforce it.
Quite a disadvantage if one is using a USB mouse or keyboard.
That's why <insert_diety> invented PS/2!
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I recall a few years ago reading that the Pentagon had
such a policy in place and had filled USB sockets with
epoxy to enforce it.
Quite a disadvantage if one is using a USB mouse or keyboard.
That's why <insert_diety> invented PS/2!
Have you seen a recent motherboard that has it?
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That's why <insert_diety> invented PS/2!
Have you seen a recent motherboard that has it?
recent enough?

<https://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/Z370%20Pro4/index.us.asp>
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That's why <insert_diety> invented PS/2!
Have you seen a recent motherboard that has it?
recent enough?
<https://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/Z370%20Pro4/index.us.asp>
Ayep. You'll notice it has a single ps/2 port available. For mouse or
keyboard, not both. Short of using one of those adapters that may/may
not work. Instead of the previous standard of two. One for each...ps/2
is on it's way out, in favor of USB. It has been for quite sometime.
Give it a few more years, boards won't even include the single port
anymore, of those that still do.
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Ayep. You'll notice it has a single ps/2 port available. For mouse or
keyboard, not both.
Don't quote me, but I think those PS/2 ports that are half green/half
purple can cope with a 'Y' splitter
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Ayep. You'll notice it has a single ps/2 port available. For mouse or
keyboard, not both.
Don't quote me, but I think those PS/2 ports that are half green/half
purple can cope with a 'Y' splitter
I have two systems here that are working fine with PS/2 splitters, but I
can't speak for more than that.
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Ayep. You'll notice it has a single ps/2 port available. For
mouse or keyboard, not both.
Don't quote me, but I think those PS/2 ports that are half
green/half purple can cope with a 'Y' splitter
Indeed. As the rest of my post mentioned:

Ayep. You'll notice it has a single ps/2 port available. For mouse or
keyboard, not both. Short of using one of those adapters that may/may
not work. Instead of the previous standard of two. One for each...ps/2
is on it's way out, in favor of USB. It has been for quite sometime.
Give it a few more years, boards won't even include the single port
anymore, of those that still do.
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I recall a few years ago reading that the Pentagon had
such a policy in place and had filled USB sockets with
epoxy to enforce it.
Quite a disadvantage if one is using a USB mouse or keyboard.
That's why <insert_diety> invented PS/2!
Have you seen a recent motherboard that has it?
It was/is 1) tongue-in-cheek, 2) in the given historical (hysterical?)
context, 3) about IBM internal use (i.e. their MBs would have what they
want/need) and 4) irrelevant for locked-down internal systems. And Andy
Burns answered your question.
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I recall a few years ago reading that the Pentagon had
such a policy in place and had filled USB sockets with
epoxy to enforce it.
Quite a disadvantage if one is using a USB mouse or keyboard.
That's why <insert_diety> invented PS/2!
Have you seen a recent motherboard that has it?
The ASUS X99-AII has a twinned P/S2 socket
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I recall a few years ago reading that the Pentagon had
such a policy in place and had filled USB sockets with
epoxy to enforce it.
Quite a disadvantage if one is using a USB mouse or keyboard.
That's why <insert_diety> invented PS/2!
Have you seen a recent motherboard that has it?
The ASUS X99-AII has a twinned P/S2 socket
Fair enough. :)
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I do not see it as a topic.
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[BBC] IBM workers banned from using USB sticks
Full story: <http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-44069488>
Staff at IBM have been banned from using removable memory devices such
as USB sticks, SD cards and flash drives.
The possibility of "financial and reputational" damage if staff lost or
misused the devices prompted the decision, reported The Register.
Instead, IBM staff who need to move data around will be encouraged to do
so via an internal network.
The decree banning removable storage acknowledges that complying with it
could be "disruptive".
Losing data
.... more ....
IBM engineers are going to have fun when some of their systems use USB
flash drives for diagnostics......

anyhow there are rumours that there was an attacvk of common sense and
exceptions
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/05/10/ibm_bans_all_removable_storage_for_all_staff_everywhere/
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[BBC] IBM workers banned from using USB sticks
Full story: <http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-44069488>
Staff at IBM have been banned from using removable memory devices such
as USB sticks, SD cards and flash drives.
In fact, USB based storages were banned in IBM multiple years ago,
unless authorized, e.g. USB stick based audit software, or
company HW/OS service department.

This time, it just gets to be more strictly controlled and
eventually software countermeasures may to be applied.
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