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If you want to know some truths about 911, you should read this book :

"FORBIDDEN TRUTH : US-Taliban Secret Oil Diplomacy and the
Failed Hunt for Bin Laden" (by Jean-Charles Brisard and Guillaume
Dasquie -- www.intelligenceonline.com )

In the "Forbidden Truth", the authors reveal how many of the criminals
involved in the BCCI banking scandal (which involved CIA and
long-time presidential advisor, Clark Clifford) are still active,
providing a front for terrorists in Europe and the United States.

You will learn that America was still involved in secret discussions
with the Taliban during summer 2001.

( also see : http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/west_asia/37021.stm )

In the "Forbidden Truth", you will learn that America threaten to bomb
the Taliban during these negotiations, saying "Either you accept our
carpet of gold, or we'll carpet you with bombs !"

911 was the response from the Taliban !

Have US close ties with Saudi Arabia's petro-dictatorship compromised
America's attempt to combat bin Laden and the Al Qaeda network ?

The book also reveals that :
-- Al Quaeda took a close interest in the multinational attempt to woo
the Taliban into allowing Western oil companies to build a pipeline
through Afghanistan

( also see : http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/1550366.stm )


The book also reveals that :
-- Libya was the first country to issue an arrest warrant for bin Laden
for a murder he allegedly committed there in 1994


This book also shows how US national security in Afghanistan were
disastrously compromised by US corporate oil interests and Saudi
Arabia.

( also see :
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4262511,00.html )

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http://www.buzzflash.com/interviews/2002/08/01_Brisard.html
August 1, 2002

A Buzzflash interview with the co-author of
"Forbidden Truth : US-Taliban secret oil diplomacy
and the failed hunt For Bin Laden."

"Forbidden Truth is the story of the greatest foreign policy blunder
of the past thirty years, the most important explanation of the
secret history of how the United States came to be attacked and who
was responsible."
(-- Joseph Trento, author of The Secret History of the CIA, six-time
Pulitzer nominee and former member of CNN's Special Assignment
Unit.)

Author Jean-Charles Brisard wrote the first intelligence report on the
Bin Laden financial networks which was used to close down fraudulent
Islamic charities that funded terrorism, a report that President
Jacques Chirac handed to George Bush on his visit to the US in the
wake of 9/11.

Jean-Charles Brisard is a former intelligence. Featured on radio
and television worldwide, Brisard is the first expert to fully investigate
the financial links between Islamic banking institutions and worldwide
terrorist organizations. He is currently CEO of a financial investigation
company. He resides in Paris.

The original edition of "Forbidden Truth" was published in French last
year ( Oct. 2001). The English edition, with new material, was printed
mid-July 2002 and is available on BuzzFlash ( see below ),

BuzzFlash.com conducted this interview with Brisard on July 24th, 2002.

BUZZFLASH : In the new edition of your book, " Forbidden Truth : U.S.
-Taliban Secret Oil Diplomacy and the Failed Hunt for Bin Laden", what
new material have you included in the English edition that was not in
the original French edition published last year ?

JEAN CHARLES BRISARD : In addition to reviewing several new
documents and new evidence since the September 11th attacks, there's
a new chapter titled "The Impossible Investigation" that proves that for
many years, the United States law enforcement agencies were in some
ways barred from investigating Al-Qaeda terrorist networks and the
connections with the Saudi Arabian kingdom.

BUZZFLASH : Why did you choose the title "Forbidden Truth ?"

JEAN CHARLES BRISARD : To the West, this is the truth that we don't
want to face. The truth is basically that the Al-Qaeda terrorist network
and Osama Bin Laden were sponsored for years by rich Saudi families.

BUZZFLASH : Your book details the roads that lead to Saudi Arabia
when it comes to the financing of terrorism, and to many of the terrorists
themselves. The Bush administration has never indicated the role the
Saudi ruling family has played in financing and tolerating terrorism.
According to your research, this is because of the wealth to be generated
by oil deals.

JEAN CHARLES BRISARD : It is not only a problem concerning the
United States, but also to the West that are concerned with these serious
political and diplomatic issues. It concerns our own development and
it is a very difficult question to handle. How will the funding to
terrorists be stopped while we're so dependent on Saudi Arabia for
our own economic development ?

BUZZFLASH : What is the significance of the sixth chapter, "Chronicle
of a Forbidden Negotiation ?"

JEAN CHARLES BRISARD : What we say in the book is that the
negotiations with the Taliban regime were driven by economic interests
and US corporate interests. And we know now that oil issues were
specifically involved in those negotiations.

BUZZFLASH : John O'Neill, who was the former counter-terrorism
FBI expert, resigned from the FBI because his investigations into
Al-Qaeda were hindered when the leads pointed to Saudi Arabia.
He was killed in the September 11th terrorist attacks because he went
on to serve as director of security for the World Trade Center.
Tell us about him. It seems that he is probably more than anyone, the
person who knows the most about how investigations were blocked
for political reasons.

JEAN CHARLES BRISARD : The fact is that this guy illustrates
the situation of the US law enforcement agencies and the political
powers of the executive branch. John O'Neill was the most affected
by the slowing of those investigations. My co-author, Guillaume
Dasquie', and I interviewed John O'Neill in July of 2001 when he
said, "All of the answers, all of the clues allowing us to dismantle
Osama Bin Laden's organization, can be found in Saudi Arabia."

BUZZFLASH : When did he resign ?

JEAN CHARLES BRISARD : He resigned in August 2001.

BUZZFLASH : You subtitled the book, "The Failed Hunt for Bin Laden."
George Bush said that he was going to get Bin Laden "dead or alive."
Why do you think the Bush administration has failed in getting Bin
Laden ? There are, of course, conflicting theories about whether Bin
Laden is dead or alive.

JEAN CHARLES BRISARD : In terms of finding Bin Laden, I don't
know. But I will say that the failure to stop Bin Laden prior to 9/11
is for me essentially a cultural failure. The United States intelligence
and policy was in a state of mind where basically people were thinking
that they would never be hurt directly by the threat. That Bin Laden to
some extent was under control even if embassies in Africa and the USS
Cole were attacked. They were in a situation where they were feeling
protected. The United States never experienced or expected an attack
on their soil from Bin Laden. Even after the '93 Trade Center bombing,
U.S. intelligence didn't fully understand the potential for future
attacks.

Plus, you had the bureaucracy of intelligence services. In other
countries the intelligence structures are more organized in terms
of their task forces and are very reactive.

BUZZFLASH : What is your take on the ongoing war on terrorism
by the Bush administration and its implications worldwide ?

JEAN CHARLES BRISARD : The war certainly succeeded in
overthrowing the Taliban regime. That's clear. But on the other hand,
the United States decided to take as allies the country where the Al-Qaeda
movement was born, Saudi Arabia, and the country where Al-Qaeda
is taking refuge, Pakistan. These issues are not resolved.

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What hapened in Florida in August 2001 is STRANGE, isn't it !!!? :
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August 19, 2001 - By Kelli Arena - CNN Washington Bureau

FBI probing top counter-terrorism agent

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The FBI is investigating a senior counter-terrorism
official after his briefcase containing classified documents was stolen
from him at a convention, government sources said Sunday. Authorities
later recovered the briefcase and documents.

Sources said the FBI does not dispute the account of the agent, who is
retiring next week, and it is unlikely the probe will result in
disciplinary action.

According to FBI rules, officials must keep classified documents with
them at all times and secure them before going to sleep.

John O'Neill, the FBI New York office's special agent in charge of
national security, was attending a retirement seminar in Tampa,
Florida, last year when the theft occurred, government sources told CNN.

The most sensitive document in the briefcase was the annual field
office report for national security operations.

It describes counter-espionage and counter-terrorism programs,
including manpower and budget details.

The briefcase also contained a document about an FBI source, but
government sources said it would not "in any way" have compromised
the source's identity.

The FBI's office of professional responsibility opened an internal
investigation about a week ago of John O'Neill, sources told CNN.

The Justice Department previously looked into the incident for possible
criminal implications but closed its investigation without taking
action after concluding no information was compromised.

O'Neill had a "pretty heavy workload" while at the Tampa seminar,
government sources said, and was authorized to carry the classified
documents with him.

Government sources said that according to O'Neill's account -- which
the FBI does not dispute -- O'Neill was planning to take the documents
to the FBI field office for safekeeping.

Then, he was paged to make a call during the convention and left the
briefcase in a room with other FBI agents and in order to make the call.

While he was away, the seminar broke for lunch and when O'Neill
returned, the briefcase was gone. O'Neill said he alerted the FBI
the moment he realized the briefcase was gone.

Authorities believe thieves who had been involved in a string of
robberies at area hotels at the time stole the briefcase, government
sources said.

The Justice Department checked every page in the briefcase for
fingerprints to see if they had been touched, finding no indication
they had, officials said. All papers were determined to have been
in the briefcase after it was returned.

The FBI inquiry is expected to take about 30 days. One source said
if O'Neill was not retiring that "he would have received some sort
of disciplinary action because he was indeed negligent."

http://www.cnn.com/2001/LAW/08/19/fbi.investigation

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You can buy "Forbidden Truth" and support BuzzFlash.com at :
http://www.buzzflash.com/premiums/Forbidden_Truth.html

Available for the first time in English, "FORBIDDEN TRUTH : US-Taliban
Secret Oil Diplomacy and the Failed Search for bin Laden" (September 20,
2002, trade paperback, $ 12.95), by Jean-Charles Brisard and journalist
Guillaume Dasquié, was an instant bestseller in France (2001) under the
title "Bin Laden : La Verite Interdite" and a bestseller in Italy, Germany
and French-speaking Canada. ( http://www.forbiddentruth.net )

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US - Taliban Secret Oil Diplomacy, Saudi Arabia and the
Failed Search for bin Laden

Who Killed John O'Neill ?

If you believe the media, John P. O'Neill was simply another innocent
victim killed in the September 11 attacks on the World Trade Center.
But you don't need much imagination to suspect something deeper was at
work.

Clearly, O'Neill was a man Osama bin Laden wanted dead. O'Neill had
been a Deputy Director of the FBI, and Osama bin Laden's main pursuer
in the US government. O'Neill had investigated the bombings of the
World Trade Center in 1993, a US base in Saudi Arabia in 1996, the US
embassies in Nairobi and Dar-Es-Salaam in 1998, and the USS Cole last
year.

But once the first plane hit the North Tower, Osama bin Laden wouldn't
be the only man to profit from O'Neill's death. At the moment of impact,
O'Neill became the man who knew too much.

Just two weeks, TWO WEEKS, prior to the attack, O'Neill had left his
job with the FBI. O'Neill had quit because he believed that the Bush
administration had stymied the intelligence agency's investigations on
terrorism. O'Neill charged that it had done so even as it bargained
with the Taliban on handing over of Osama bin Laden in exchange for
political recognition and economic aid. In the ultimate irony, O'Neill
had gone public with these charges at the same time that he was leaving
the FBI to become the head of security at the World Trade Center.

"The main obstacles to investigate Islamic terrorism were US oil
corporate interests, and the role played by Saudi Arabia in it,"
O'Neill reportedly told the authors of an explosive new book, Hidden
Truth (Forbidden Truth in the US), by intelligence analysts Charles
Brisard and Guillaume Dasquie. Brisard met O'Neill several times last
summer and reports that O'Neill complained bitterly that the US State
Department - and behind it the oil lobby who make up President Bush's
entourage - blocked attempts to prove bin Laden's guilt.

Released just last November, Brisard and Dasquie's book was mostly
ignored by the US media. But it is beginning to cause a stir. Just
two days ago, the story aired for the first time on US television
when CNN's Paula Zahn interviewed former Iraqi chief U.N. weapons
inspector Richard Bulter.

(Read CNN transcript :
http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0201/09/ltm.06.html)

"The most explosive charge, Paula, is that the Bush administration
-- the present one, just shortly after assuming office slowed down
FBI investigations of al Qaeda and terrorism in Afghanistan in order
to do a deal with the Taliban on oil -- an oil pipeline across
Afghanistan" Butler said.

Maybe part of the reason Paula left Faux news is because she knew her
right wing bosses would never let her run a story like this one.
But what Paula didn't explore, or even mention, was that O'Neill was
not alive to confirm or refute those charges. What CNN didn't find
interesting was the fact that John P. O'Neill was in his 34th-floor
office in the World Trade Tower when the first of two hijacked planes
hit the building, or that he phoned a son and a friend to reassure
them he was fine.

What the US media have apparently found less interesting than the
death of Clinton's dog is that we have only the government's version
of what happened next. O'Neill is reported to have called FBI
headquarters, and then re-entered one of the towers to help others.
The official story is that O'Neill was inside when the buildings
collapsed.

How convenient for the Bush administration that Mr. O'Neill would not
only die in the attack, but also that he would make such a call.
Not only was the Bush administration's most dangerous critic forever
silenced, but he also provided the administration the perfect story
to explain his death.

Can you imagine how the events of the past four months would have
differed had John P. O'Neill, former Deputy Director of the FBI and
head of security at the World Trade Tower at the time of the attacks,
had been alive to tell this story ?

Can you imagine the uproar this story would be causing if Bill Clinton
were still president ?

As things stand, only time will tell if O'Neill's story is investigated
by the US press that found Monica Lewinsky worthy of two years of our
lives. Certainly, the authors who have reported it are credible.
Till the late 1990s, Brisard was the director of economic analysis and
strategy for Vivendi, the giant French conglomerate that owns Universal
Studios and effective control of USA Networks. He also worked for
French secret services (DST), and wrote for them in 1997 a report on
the now famous Al Qaeda network, headed by bin Laden. Dasquie is an
investigative journalist and publisher of Intelligence Online, a
respected newsletter on diplomacy, economic analysis and strategy.
And Richard Bulter, who put the story in play on the US cable networks,
is hardly an excitable conspiracy nut.

Perhaps the CIA will investigate. But I wouldn't expect much from them.
After all, they were apparently unable to penetrate the same Al Qaeda
network that welcomed in John Walker, a confused 20 year old kid from
California, who is reported to have met bin Laden himself.
www.hereinreality.com/johnoneill.html

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by Wayne Madsen
Tracking bin Laden's money flow leads back to Midland, Texas

On September 24, President George W. Bush appeared at a press
conference in the White House Rose Garden to announce a crackdown
on the financial networks of terrorists and those who support them.

"US banks that have assets of these groups or individuals must freeze
their accounts," Bush declared. "And US citizens or businesses are
prohibited from doing business with them."

But the president, who is now enjoying an astounding 92 percent
approval rating, hasn't always practiced what he is now preaching :
Bush's own businesses were once tied to financial figures in Saudi
Arabia who currently support bin Laden.

In 1979, Bush's first business, Arbusto Energy, obtained financing
from James Bath, a Houstonian and close family friend. One of many
investors, Bath gave Bush $50,000 for a 5 percent stake in Arbusto.

At the time, Bath was the sole US business representative for Salem
bin Laden, head of the wealthy Saudi Arabian family and a brother
to Osama bin Laden. It has long been suspected, but never proven,
that the Arbusto money came directly from Salem bin Laden.

In a statement issued shortly after the September 11 attacks, the White
House vehemently denied the connection, insisting that Bath invested
his own money, not Salem bin Laden's, in Arbusto.

In conflicting statements, Bush at first denied ever knowing Bath, then
acknowledged his stake in Arbusto and that he was aware Bath
represented Saudi interests.

In fact, Bath has extensive ties, both to the bin Laden family and major
players in the scandal-ridden Bank of Commerce and Credit International
(BCCI) who have gone on to fund Osama bin Laden. BCCI defrauded
depositors of $10 billion in the '80s in what has been called the
"largest bank fraud in world financial history" by former Manhattan
District Attorney Robert Morgenthau. During the '80s, BCCI also acted
as a main conduit for laundering money intended for clandestine CIA
activities, ranging from financial support to the Afghan mujahedin to
paying intermediaries in the Iran-Contra affair.

When Salem bin Laden died in 1988, powerful Saudi Arabian banker
and BCCI principal Khalid bin Mahfouz inherited his interests in Houston.
Bath ran a business for bin Mahfouz in Houston and joined a partnership
with bin Mahfouz and Gaith Pharaon, BCCI's frontman in Houston's
Main Bank.

The Arbusto deal wasn't the last time Bush looked to highly questionable
sources to invest in his oil dealings. After several incarnations, Arbusto
emerged in 1986 as Harken Energy Corporation. When Harken ran into
trouble a year later, Saudi Sheik Abdullah Taha Bakhsh purchased a 17.6
percent stake in the company. Bakhsh was a business partner with Pharaon
in Saudi Arabia; his banker there just happened to be bin Mahfouz.

Though Bush told the Wall Street Journal he had "no idea" BCCI was
involved in Harken's financial dealings, the network of connections
between Bush and BCCI is so extensive that the Journal concluded
their investigation of the matter in 1991 by stating: "The number of
BCCI-connected people who had dealings with Harken - all since
George W. Bush came on board-raises the question of whether they
mask an effort to cozy up to a presidential son." Or even the president :
Bath finally came under investigation by the FBI in 1992 for his Saudi
business relationships, accused of funneling Saudi money through Houston
in order to influence the foreign policies of the Reagan and first Bush
administrations.

Worst of all, bin Mahfouz allegedly has been financing the bin Laden
terrorist network - making Bush a US citizen who has done business
with those who finance and support terrorists. According to USA Today,
bin Mahfouz and other Saudis attempted to transfer $3 million to various
bin Laden front operations in Saudi Arabia in 1999. ABC News reported
the same year that Saudi officials stopped bin Mahfouz from contributing
money directly to bin Laden. (Bin Mahfouz's sister is also a wife of
Osama bin Laden, a fact that former CIA Director James Woolsey
revealed in 1998 Senate testimony.)

When President Bush announced he is hot on the trail of the money used
over the years to finance terrorism, he must realize that trail ultimately
leads not only to Saudi Arabia, but to some of the same financiers who
originally helped propel him into the oil business and later the White
House. The ties between bin Laden and the White House may be much
closer than he is willing to acknowledge.

Wayne Madsen, an investigative journalist based in Washington, is the
author of Genocide and Covert Operations in Africa 1993-1999.
http://www.inthesetimes.com/issue/25/25/feature3.shtml

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1997
TALEBAN IN TEXAS FOR TALKS ON GAS PIPELINE
Thursday, December 4, 1997 - A senior delegation from the
Taleban movement in Afghanistan is in the United States for
talks with an international energy company that wants to
construct a gas pipeline from Turkmenistan across
Afghanistan to Pakistan.
A spokesman for the company, Unocal, said the Taleban
were expected to spend several days at the company's
headquarters in Sugarland, Texas... More :
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/west_asia/37021.stm
http://www.expressindia.com/fe/daily/19970602/15355423.html

1998
WHY DOES WASHINGTON HATE SADDAM ?
(Spring, 1998) Part of the recent U.S. policy of containment
is to demonize Saddam Hussein, telling us that he is a vicious
dictator who abuses his people. Yet everything in the U.S. Army's
own 1990 publication IRAQ: A COUNTRY STUDY directly contradicts
that view... More :
http://www.sonic.net/%7Edoretk/Issues/98-04%20%20SPR/whydoeswash.html

1998
ENRON WINS TRANS-CASPIAN GAS PIPELINE FEASIBILITY STUDY
July 30, 1998 Enron has won a tender for the right to prepare a
feasibility study for Trans- Caspian gas pipeline from Satlik to
Ceyhan via Baku. The special adviser to the US president and the
secretary of state for the New Independent States, Richard
Morningstar, said that this is the second major step to facilitate
the trans-Caspian project since the signing of the agreement on the
provision of a $ 750,000 grant to prepare the feasibility study...
More : http://www.gasandoil.com/goc/company/cnc84077.htm

2000
OIL-RICH KAZAKHSTAN COULD EASE U.S. PAIN
San Jose Mercury-News (April 4, 2000) ALMATY, Kazakhstan --
Gas prices have rocketed in the United States, particularly in
California, and as tempers flare politicians look for ways to ease
Americans' pain. The search for a major alternative source of oil
is an obvious option and a primary reason Secretary of State
Madeleine Albright will spend a week in the oil-rich Caspian Sea
region beginning April 14. She will visit Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan
and Kazakhstan...
More : http://www.oilcrisis.com/caspian/kazakhstan

May 2001
ANALYSIS OF BUSH ENERGY POLICY & ENRON PROFITABILITY
Utility Consumers Action Network (May 19, 2001) On May 17th,
President George W. Bush issued a major policy initiative to deal
with an energy "challenge" facing America. President Bush released
a report by his energy task force which contains 105 suggestions
aimed at increasing U.S. energy supplies ... More :
http://www.ucan.org/law_policy/energydocs/bushed.htm

May 2001
ENRON'S SECRET BID TO SAVE DEREGULATION
San Francisco Chronicle (May 26, 2001) PRIVATE MEETING :
Chairman pitches his plan to prominent Californians. Energy
executive Kenneth Lay, head of powerful Enron Corp., quietly
courted Arnold Schwarzenegger, Richard Riordan, Michael
Milken and other luminaries this week in Beverly Hills to drum
up support for his solution to California's energy crisis... More :
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2001/05/26/MN209410.DTL

June 2001
BUSH, HIS CABINET AND THEIR OIL CONNECTIONS
Drillbits & Tailings - Moles.org (June 30, 2001)
http://www.moles.org/ProjectUnderground/drillbits/6_05/vs.html

July 2001
THE COUNTERTERRORIST MYTH : A former CIA operative
explains why the terrorist Usama bin Ladin has little to fear from
American intelligence.
The Atlantic Monthly (July/August 2001) The United States has spent
billions of dollars on counterterrorism since the U.S. embassy bombings
in Tanzania and Kenya, in August of 1998. Tens of millions have been
spent on covert operations specifically targeting Usama bin Ladin and
his terrorist organization, al-Qa'ida. Senior U.S. officials boldly
claim -- even after the suicide attack last October on the USS Cole,
in the port of Aden ... More :
http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/2001/07/gerecht.htm

July 2001
US PLANNED ATTACK ON TALEBAN ( mid-July 2001 )
Tuesday, 18 September, 2001 - Niaz Naik, a former Pakistani
Foreign Secretary, was told by senior American officials in mid-
July 2001 that military action against Afghanistan would go ahead
by the middle of October ... More :
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/1550366.stm

5 September 2001
BIN LADEN FOREIGN LEGION FUELS HARDLINE EXPANSION
Wednesday September 5, 2001 - Arab fighters funded by the Saudi
terrorist Osama bin Laden have become increasingly influential within
Afghanistan's Taliban movement and are building a foreign legion to
extend the regime's hardline vision of Islam, according to aid workers
and analysts ... More :
http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,546898,00.html

September 2001
THREAT OF US STRIKES PASSED TO TALIBAN WEEKS
BEFORE 911 ATTACKS
Sept. 22, 2001 - Osama bin Laden and the Taliban received threats
of possible
American military strikes against them two months before the
terrorist assaults on New York and Washington, which were
allegedly masterminded by the Saudi-born fundamentalist, a
Guardian investigation has established.
The warning to the Taliban originated at a four-day meeting of
senior Americans, Russians, Iranians and Pakistanis at a hotel
in Berlin in mid-July. The conference, the third in a series
dubbed "brainstorming on Afghanistan", was part of a classic
diplomatic device known as "track two". ... More :
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4262511,00.html
and
http://www.intelligenceonline.com/dossiers/iof/dos_iof_verite_laden.asp

October 2001
THE OIL BEHIND BUSH AND SON'S CAMPAIGNS
October 6, 2001 By Ranjit Devraj - Not only can Afghanistan
play a role in hosting pipelines connecting Central Asia to
international markets, but the country itself has significant oil
and gas deposits. More :
http://www.atimes.com/global-econ/CJ06Dj01.html

November 2001
AMERICA'S DIRTY AFGHAN SECRET : it's a war over oil
21 November 2001 - With many senior members of the Bush
administration linked to major oil business interests, it more than
a matter of coincidence that the US is involved in a war in
Afghanistan.
Vice-President Dick Cheney was, until the end of last year,
president of Halliburton, a company that provides services for
the oil industry. US National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice
was, between 1991 and 2000, manager for Chevron; secretaries
of commerce and energy, Donald Evans and Stanley Abraham,
worked for Tom Brown, another oil giant.
There is, therefore, more to the War against terrorism than the
Bush administration is willing to admit. So, Operation Enduring
Freedom wants to do the following ....... Full Article :
http://www.tehelka.com/channels/currentaffairs/2001/nov/21/printable/ca11210
1americapr.htm
More : www.intelligenceonline.com

July 2003
WHY DOES 9/11 INQUIRY SCARE BUSH ?
http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0711-11.htm
Editorial - Published on Friday, July 11, 2003 by the Berkshire
The Internet is full of wild theories -- that Mr. Bush knew in
advance of 9/11 and allowed it to happen so he could exploit
it to get his way in domestic and international politics is the
most notable -- and while cyberspace is the natural home of
the improbable and the far-fetched, the administration's
stonewalling only lends credence to those who believe a
cover-up of something is going on ... More :
http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0711-11.htm
http://www.commondreams.org
GigaNews
2004-01-25 11:14:54 UTC
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Federal Martial Law: The Cleansing of America,

The U.S. Government allowed the Oklahoma Fed Bldg Bombing, 9/11 WTC
bombing,and a Nation Wide Blackout? Why is it people are unveiling
Federal Martial Law but no one cares? Dose the U.S.Government wants
Federal Martial Law, and or do they need it -s.p. "United We
Stand/Divided We Fall"? What is the real reason for changing the "Posse
Comitatus Act" and "Patriot Act"? Dose the U.S.Government want to change
the Constitution? New World Order, Bush's, U.S.Federal Central Intel
Agencies and the unity of a nation will improve American citizen's
freedom? Is the U.S.Federal Government helping us prepare for a great
changes ahead, FEMA & Federal Martial Law?

I believe the U.S.Government has a undeniable positive and constructive
intention to protect it's interests internally and abroad. I do not
believe the intentions of the U.S.Government is bad or without good
taste. I believe Federal Martial Law is a great idea. The
U.S.(CIA's)Government wants total control, alteration of constitution
and institutionalization of it's citizens, much like the U.S.Military is
run, but is that a bad idea? I don't think so. I strongly believe all
children must be removed from their parents at the age of puberty/12 yrs
old and placed in a boarding schools. I think the New World Order is a
great Idea, and to become a Federalist supporting this agenda is even
better.



Paul
Bush Sucks
2004-01-25 11:59:40 UTC
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Post by GigaNews
Federal Martial Law: The Cleansing of America,
The U.S. Government allowed the Oklahoma Fed Bldg Bombing, 9/11 WTC
bombing,and a Nation Wide Blackout? Why is it people are unveiling
Federal Martial Law but no one cares? Dose the U.S.Government wants
Federal Martial Law, and or do they need it -s.p. "United We
Stand/Divided We Fall"? What is the real reason for changing the "Posse
Comitatus Act" and "Patriot Act"? Dose the U.S.Government want to change
the Constitution? New World Order, Bush's, U.S.Federal Central Intel
Agencies and the unity of a nation will improve American citizen's
freedom? Is the U.S.Federal Government helping us prepare for a great
changes ahead, FEMA & Federal Martial Law?
I believe the U.S.Government has a undeniable positive and constructive
intention to protect it's interests internally and abroad. I do not
believe the intentions of the U.S.Government is bad or without good
taste. I believe Federal Martial Law is a great idea. The
U.S.(CIA's)Government wants total control, alteration of constitution
and institutionalization of it's citizens, much like the U.S.Military is
run, but is that a bad idea? I don't think so. I strongly believe all
children must be removed from their parents at the age of puberty/12 yrs
old and placed in a boarding schools. I think the New World Order is a
great Idea, and to become a Federalist supporting this agenda is even
better.
I am hoping you are saying all this tongue in cheek. Otherwise you need
to wake up and smell the coffee. Do you want to live in a Nazi type
police state? Be a bootlicker and slave for the military industrial
complex? Hitler would be proud of the laws our current regime is
passing. They take what he did, and expand on it beyond what even he
could have imagined.

I for one, and I know I am not alone on this, am all for the
constitution and bill of rights. These are the only guarantees we have
against repressive regimes and the corrupt politicians who support
them.

Have we been so deceived and dumbed down as to think the Bush cartell
has our best interests in mind? I don't think so. Just take a look at
what has happened to our freedoms. We are living in a police state. Go
to New York city, see the armed swat teams patrolling the streets.
Looks like Nazi germany to me. That is not freedom. Wake up Winston!!

Go to www.inforwars.com and read through some of the articles, see how
our media is covering up the truth, feeding us mindless pablum to dull
our senses and keep us in the dark.

I leave you with a quote from Patrick Henry, "Give me liberty or give
me death!". I would rather die free than live as a slave, no thank you
New World Order. Enjoy the new AmeriKa.
Post by GigaNews
Paul
Chris Saunders CSGD
2004-02-22 04:42:53 UTC
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Post by Bush Sucks
I am hoping you are saying all this tongue in cheek. Otherwise you need
to wake up and smell the coffee. Do you want to live in a Nazi type
police state? Be a bootlicker and slave for the military industrial
complex? Hitler would be proud of the laws our current regime is
passing. They take what he did, and expand on it beyond what even he
could have imagined.
I am an Australian.
My name is Chris Saunders.
I have posted previously (and in years past) if you wish to get a feel for
me and my beliefs.
Please tell me what laws are being passed by your current "regime", as I
would be very fascinated.
If you cannot tell me yourself, can you point me in a direction where I can
find out for myself?
Post by Bush Sucks
I for one, and I know I am not alone on this, am all for the
constitution and bill of rights. These are the only guarantees we have
against repressive regimes and the corrupt politicians who support
them.
Have we been so deceived and dumbed down as to think the Bush cartell
has our best interests in mind? I don't think so. Just take a look at
what has happened to our freedoms. We are living in a police state. Go
to New York city, see the armed swat teams patrolling the streets.
Are you serious, or joking?
Do you seriously see armed police, even SWAT teams, "patrolling" as though
there were imminent danger?
Post by Bush Sucks
Looks like Nazi germany to me. That is not freedom. Wake up Winston!!
Because if so, then America is in a far worse state than I imagined, and
this has gone way too far.
We overseas rarely if ever hear about that sort of stuff.
For any reader who cares; Hitler was voted into parliment by a democratic
government in a time of desperate need and public sentiment towards outside
threats.
Hitler used those threats to invoke a military (internal) response, rounding
up his "political" enemies perhaps more so than the country's enemies, and
then was able to direct the country (using media and propoganda and
patriotism and madness of the public) towards doing the terrible things we
know about today.
Pull your heads away from the TV's long enough to look out your windows and
figure out - ITS IN DANGER OF HAPPENING AGAIN... TO *YOU* in *YOUR OWN
COUNTRY*!!
The only thing that can stop it is you and others like you getting up and
stopping it.

"For evil to triumph, it only requires that Good Men do nothing"... haven't
we all heard THAT recently? LISTEN TO IT!!
Post by Bush Sucks
Go to www.inforwars.com and read through some of the articles, see how
our media is covering up the truth, feeding us mindless pablum to dull
our senses and keep us in the dark.
I leave you with a quote from Patrick Henry, "Give me liberty or give
me death!". I would rather die free than live as a slave, no thank you
New World Order. Enjoy the new AmeriKa.
I'm not sure I do, and I'm not sure it's so new just yet.
America is a young country, and it is one that doesn't seem to learn so well
from the past, even when it's past is so limitted compared to others (eg
China, India, Europe, etc).
There will be many hard lessons to be learnt by its citizens over the
centuries to come.
I think losing the arrogance and self-importance and pride of their nation
will eventually come once they realise what it is that they are allowing
America to do to itself and the rest of the world.
America as we know it may well be on the brink of a new era.

- CSGD
Chap A. Quidik
2004-02-21 05:44:27 UTC
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Post by GigaNews
Federal Martial Law: The Cleansing of America,
The U.S. Government allowed the Oklahoma Fed Bldg Bombing, 9/11 WTC
bombing,and a Nation Wide Blackout? Why is it people are unveiling
Federal Martial Law but no one cares? Dose the U.S.Government wants
Federal Martial Law, and or do they need it -s.p. "United We
Stand/Divided We Fall"? What is the real reason for changing the "Posse
Comitatus Act" and "Patriot Act"? Dose the U.S.Government want to change
the Constitution? New World Order, Bush's, U.S.Federal Central Intel
Agencies and the unity of a nation will improve American citizen's
freedom? Is the U.S.Federal Government helping us prepare for a great
changes ahead, FEMA & Federal Martial Law?
I believe the U.S.Government has a undeniable positive and constructive
intention to protect it's interests internally and abroad. I do not
believe the intentions of the U.S.Government is bad or without good
taste. I believe Federal Martial Law is a great idea. The
U.S.(CIA's)Government wants total control, alteration of constitution
and institutionalization of it's citizens, much like the U.S.Military is
run, but is that a bad idea? I don't think so. I strongly believe all
children must be removed from their parents at the age of puberty/12 yrs
old and placed in a boarding schools. I think the New World Order is a
great Idea, and to become a Federalist supporting this agenda is even
better.
Paul
You give no reasons as to why you think the New World Order is a great idea.
Why must kids be removed from parents at 12?
cyril
2004-02-21 16:41:48 UTC
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Post by GigaNews
Federal Martial Law: The Cleansing of America,
<SNIP>
Post by Chap A. Quidik
Post by GigaNews
Paul
You give no reasons as to why you think the New World Order is a great idea.
Why must kids be removed from parents at 12?
Do you think Chap may be taking the piss (sarcasm)?

cyril
Chris Saunders CSGD
2004-02-22 04:54:27 UTC
Permalink
Post by GigaNews
Federal Martial Law: The Cleansing of America,
The U.S. Government allowed the Oklahoma Fed Bldg Bombing, 9/11 WTC
bombing,and a Nation Wide Blackout? Why is it people are unveiling
Federal Martial Law but no one cares? Dose the U.S.Government wants
Federal Martial Law, and or do they need it -s.p. "United We
Stand/Divided We Fall"? What is the real reason for changing the "Posse
Comitatus Act" and "Patriot Act"? Dose the U.S.Government want to change
the Constitution? New World Order, Bush's, U.S.Federal Central Intel
Agencies and the unity of a nation will improve American citizen's
freedom? Is the U.S.Federal Government helping us prepare for a great
changes ahead, FEMA & Federal Martial Law?
If that is the case, then I think Americans should heed the warning bells
and take action and courage to do the right thing... and quickly.
Post by GigaNews
I believe the U.S.Government has a undeniable positive and constructive
intention to protect it's interests internally and abroad.
ITS interests.
Not the interests of America, but the interests of the U.S.Government.
America today is one of the few countries in the world that are actually not
controlled and dictated by their own government, and enjoy a remarkable
freedom to do pretty much whatever they like, within reason.
And you're welcoming a change to that?
You're welcoming a government that puts citizens on a board like
chess-pieces and plays with their lives and their futures and their civil
liberties like they were just so expendable.

I put it to you that a government like that could well be a government that
would have no qualms about demolishing a building with people in it, in a
creative way that would further its own political agenda, and then use that
event to fuel public support for what we are seeing today?
You think stuff like that hasn't happened throughout history?

WAKE UP AMERICA!!!! YOU ARE BEING BEATEN BY YOUR OWN TEAM!
Post by GigaNews
I do not
believe the intentions of the U.S.Government is bad or without good
taste.
That would make you either:
1) a person who does little to no research regarding current events
2) a person who ignores current events and thinks something else is really
going on
3) a person who actively supports current events due to either a perverse
bloodlust or a material benifit from it
4) a member of an organisation designed to further the political agenda of
these people by convincing us its all good
Post by GigaNews
I believe Federal Martial Law is a great idea.
You... umm... right.
Post by GigaNews
The
U.S.(CIA's)Government wants total control, alteration of constitution
and institutionalization of it's citizens, much like the U.S.Military is
run, but is that a bad idea? I don't think so.
We used to be told how terrible it was for Russia, China, and other
countries that were being run like that.
It was used against them, and made to appear very not-nice.
North Korea is like that now.
Mmmm... yeah.... great idea, that.
Post by GigaNews
I strongly believe all
children must be removed from their parents at the age of puberty/12 yrs
old and placed in a boarding schools.
If you do truly strongly believe that, then you need help. And its not
gonna appear on Usenet... go talk to someone, I'm sure there are ways to
make that happen even if you have no money to pay for a professional.
Post by GigaNews
I think the New World Order is a
great Idea, and to become a Federalist supporting this agenda is even
better.
You sound like a goose-stepping Nazi falling into rank.
You can't be serious?
Post by GigaNews
Paul
- CSGD

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